[Women] Women's Group Feb. 10
Annie Warmke
annie at bluerockstation.com
Sat Feb 6 17:32:38 CST 2021
The accusers are not annonymous but it is their story to tell, not
ours. We are going to put something out there in a generic way to see
if there are women who need to feel supported. Annie
On 2/6/2021 12:50 PM, nancy wolske via Women wrote:
> The breadth of the conversation continued, so I’m glad Cindy spoke up.
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> The onus is on anyone using email to be aware of to whom you’re
> sending a message, especially so when someone’s being accused and
> named, and especially when the accuser remains anonymous and the
> accusation is hearsay. Much harm can result.
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> On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 12:29 PM, Rebecca Phillips via Women
> <women at fuusm.org> wrote:
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> To all: the breadth of the conversation was accidental.
>
> "If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you
> need."-- Cicero
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> *From:* Women <women-bounces at fuusm.org> on behalf of nancy wolske
> via Women <women at fuusm.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:18 PM
> *To:* A List for the Women of FUUSM <women at fuusm.org>
> *Cc:* nancy wolske <nwolske17 at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Women] Women's Group Feb. 10
> Absolutely.
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> On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 12:10 PM, Cindy Brown via Women
> <women at fuusm.org> wrote:
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> I'd like to just reiterate Teresa's earlier email - this
> conversation really should not be taking place on such a large
> list. I'm quite uncomfortable with this knowledge that I have
> no right to possess.
>
> Thanks
> Cindy
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> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:55 AM Chris via Women
> <women at fuusm.org <mailto:women at fuusm.org>> wrote:
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> I did not know this about Paul Dunn. I do not know the
> names of the women he harassed before he left. Let me know
> their names or keep them provate. That is okay with me.
> I am on the Board as well as Beth Lapore and Nancy Luthy.
> So if anyone has information you want us to bring up at
> the Board meeting on Monday, let one of us know. My though
> right now is someone or Kat should confront him when he
> returns. Tell him he is welcomed into our community, but
> his behavior will not be tolerated. Well, something like that.
> Give one of us feedback for the meeting and I will share
> with you what I learned at the Board meeting.
> Chris
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> *From: *Maureen <women at fuusm.org <mailto:women at fuusm.org>>
> *To: *A List <women at fuusm.org <mailto:women at fuusm.org>>
> *Cc: *Maureen <maureenolander at gmail.com
> <mailto:maureenolander at gmail.com>>
> *Date: *Saturday, 6 February 2021 10:13 AM EST
> *Subject: *Re: [Women] Women's Group Feb. 10
>
> I have a couple of thoughts based on harassment at my
> workplaces: First, it does no good to mildly rebuke
> the harasser. My first harasser used to ogle and leer
> whenever I approached his desk, which I had to do
> frequently. He was sitting on a high stool (he was a
> dispatcher) and one day I accidentally brushed his
> crotch area. He started hooting and I just snapped. I
> said very loudly “John, f*** off!” There was dead
> silence in the dispatcher’s room for several minutes.
> I never had a problem again. Make a stink. Be loud.
> The second technique is based on advice to document
> workplace incidents, when, where and what. I wrote a
> letter to my harasser recounting what he did and when
> and asking him to stop. When the time was right I used
> it with satisfactory results.
> In all my experiences I was harassed by men whom I’d
> turned down for a date or had otherwise hurt their
> little egos, no matter how gently. Remember that these
> incidents are all about revenge and aggression, so
> respond accordingly. It sounds like we need a UU Me Too.
> Shalom, Maureen
> Hope
>
> On Feb 5, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Teresa Hayes via Women
> <women at fuusm.org <mailto:women at fuusm.org>> wrote:
>
> FYI: This was sent to all of the women's group not
> to Karen or Rebecca alone.
>
> I don't object to this being sent to everyone, but
> I do want to point out that there are two reply
> arrows that one can use on e-mails. The single
> arrow replies to the person who sent the e-mail
> and the double arrow replies to the entire group,
> in this instance to the women's group. In many
> cases it's important to be sure who you are
> replying to.
>
> Since it came to everyone, I wanted to offer an
> opinion. It's important for the woman who is
> being harassed to step into her own power and let
> Paul know his advances are unwanted. I know some
> women do not feel capable of doing this, so it is
> up to each of us who do, to step forward and
> support our sisters until they do feel empowered
> enough to speak for themselves. After all, Paul is
> not the only man in our community who might
> sexually harass a woman. By community I mean our
> church community, work community, larger
> community, any community of which a woman may be a
> member.
>
> So, standing on the side of love for my sisters, I
> suggest we formulate a plan to let Paul know that
> his advances and sexual harassment will not be
> tolerated. And we need to base this upon either
> existing church policy, or develop a church policy
> that addresses sexual harassment. It really is no
> more difficult than we make it.
>
> If anyone wishes to reply to me personally about
> this, please feel free to do so.
> teresa_asselinhayes_2000 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:teresa_asselinhayes_2000 at yahoo.com> or
> 740-350-6249
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021, 2:43:14 PM EST,
> Annie Warmke via Women <women at fuusm.org
> <mailto:women at fuusm.org>> wrote:
>
> Karen; Here's what I'd like to speak about.
>
> This has to do with Paul Dunn and his sexual
> harassment of at least four women in the months
> before he left. It is reported that he is
> returning in a few days so this is very worrisome
> me that women are not safe in our church family.
> I am concerned also because four came forward but
> how many others are there? Initially (July 2019) a
> man spoke from church spoke to me about Paul and
> asked what to do. I suggested he go to the board
> president and Kat. He did do that but nothing
> came of it.
>
> Now that Paul is returning the man who spoke up is
> very concerned, and spoke to me again. I asked
> him to talk to Kat and the board to find out what
> our policy is on handling sexual harassment. He
> was told that they would work on it on Monday at
> the board meeting. That made me wonder if there
> is a policy, and if so, why weren't they adhering
> to it?
>
> I brought the initial report up at the Women's mo.
> meeting in Aug. 2019 and asked what could be
> done. There was a discussion but nothing came of
> it. I don't feel we should be the ones taking the
> lead on this. It is the men who must step up and
> support the one who initially brought it to
> everyone's attention.
>
> It is clear something needs to be done before Paul
> returns. Shouldn't we, as a women's group make a
> statement about sexual harassment and how we want
> it dealt with? I cannot look away. Annie
>
> On 2/4/2021 1:33 PM, Karen Binkley via Women wrote:
> I am available to talk if you would like. Karen
> Binkley
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 4, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Annie Warmke via
> Women <women at fuusm.org>
> <mailto:women at fuusm.org> wrote:
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> Do you have time for me to call you to talk about
> a problem that, as women, we may want to address?
> Annie
>
> On 2/4/2021 11:43 AM, Rebecca Phillips via Women
> wrote:
> Greetings, women of FUUSM,
> Just a reminder that our monthly meeting will be
> next Wednesday, February 10, at 7:00 PM. We will
> be using the church Zoom link (copied below). Our
> theme is the UU theme of "Side With Love," so
> please bring an example, anecdote, poem, whatever
> on ways that you/we have sided with love for
> people, animals, the planet. . .
> https://zoom.us/j/94822183499?pwd=ZVhkMHZWSnR1bTI5czZWRk1zdFFmQT09
> <https://zoom.us/j/94822183499?pwd=ZVhkMHZWSnR1bTI5czZWRk1zdFFmQT09>
> Meeting ID: 948 2218 3499 Passcode: fuusm2323
> Hope to see you then!
> Rebecca
> "If you have a garden and a library, you have
> everything you need."-- Cicero
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