[Fuusm-l] use of the sanctuary; use of the office building; SARS2 CoVid19

Mon Jun 15 10:39:05 CDT 2020

Brenda;  As a member of the FUUSM task force, and someone who has 
greatly benefited from meetings similar to AA I promise that I will do 
everything I can to bring outside use of groups and particularly AA's 
use of the building to as quick a resolution as is humanly possible.  I 
have already proposed a short term solution and a long-term one so that 
we can resolve some of the immediate challenges.  Annie Warmke

On 6/14/2020 12:30 PM, B.Lisk via Fuusm-l wrote:
> Thank you Chris,
> People who understand are greatly appreciated. The confusion of yes to 
> be allowed, then to be suddenly not allowed has definitely been 
> difficult for those who attend. The problem in finding another place 
> is next to impossible due to other appropriate places having been 
> “taken” by other groups, which also need a place to meet.
> I am most certain the group meetings that have always been held in our 
> fellowship hall on Thursday evening are carefully following 
> recommended guidelines, due to the fact that the founder of that 
> particular meeting is a person who is quite “by the book” in all 
> matters. People who do not know the AA principles are unaware of the 
> similarity between AA and FUUSM principles and beliefs. I do hope 
> something can be resolved promptly between the group and FUUSM in a 
> very expedient manner. There are no people who are intoxicated or high 
> on anything inside the meeting, they are people in recovery seeking to 
> stay that way.
> PS: There is no AA “headquarters” at Serenity House, near (Third & 
> Wooster) it is just another meeting place where daily meetings are 
> ongoing. Many folks do not attend due to the small space and over 
> crowding. Many assorted groups meet there and many people have found 
> it too risky to have enough confidence in not only spacing, but 
> dubious cleanliness.
> *From:* Chris Hoke <mailto:cahoke at hughes.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:55 AM
> *To:* B.Lisk <mailto:blisk at att.net>
> *Cc:* Teresa Hayes <mailto:teresa_asselinhayes_2000 at yahoo.com> ; FUUSM 
> E-mail <mailto:fuusm-l at fuusm.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fuusm-l] use of the sanctuary; use of the office 
> building; SARS2 CoVid19
> Brenda:
> Thank you for your input. The Board in June had a discussion about AA 
> meeting and voted on it. It passed to allow them to continue to use 
> the Social Hall. I voted “yes” I did not care if there were 10 or 20 
> people in the group. I know they needed to meet during these stressful 
> times.
> Then due to the “uproar” of some members of the church, somehow 
> without my knowing, the decision was changed - that they could not 
> meet until we had health procedures in place.
> So we only added to their stress of not knowing if and when they would 
> be able to meet at our church. I am not happy about this and agree 
> with you that perhaps they need to find another place that will 
> support them.
> Chris
>
>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 10:25 PM, B.Lisk <blisk at att.net 
>> <mailto:blisk at att.net>> wrote:
>> Thank you Teresa!
>> I know the groups in McConnelsville each have hand sanitizers, wipes, 
>> masks, distance observation, no hugging or hand shakes, and they  
>> follow all recommendations for safety. Each group cleans after 
>> themselves via wiping down all chairs, tables, coffee pots, 
>> restrooms, doors and anything that may be touched. The meeting place 
>> is offered by Cedar Ridge Behavioral Health and their janitorial 
>> service also cleans everything on weekends.
>> I think this issue, like many others, are talked to death by some 
>> FUUSM committees until sometimes decisions are made by only a few, if 
>> any are ever made. However, that being said, I think Larry and the 
>> members may decide to just go somewhere else, if they can find a 
>> suitable venue. I am disappointed to think such a large room, with UV 
>> sanitization cannot be used per usual if guidelines are observed.
>> Some peoples lives do hang in the balance.  Thank you to all who 
>> support cutting the red tape and going directly to the point of “keep 
>> it simple” it really is not the reinvention of the wheel.
>> Brenda Lisk
>> *From:* Chris Hoke via Fuusm-l <mailto:fuusm-l at fuusm.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:25 PM
>> *To:* Teresa Hayes <mailto:teresa_asselinhayes_2000 at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* FUUSM E-mail <mailto:fuusm-l at fuusm.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fuusm-l] use of the sanctuary; use of the office 
>> building; SARS2 CoVid19
>> Well said!
>> Chris
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Teresa Hayes via Fuusm-l 
>>> <fuusm-l at fuusm.org <mailto:fuusm-l at fuusm.org>> wrote:
>>> Hello everyone.  I thought I might weigh in on the discussion 
>>> regarding AA meeting in the sanctuary.
>>> In-person, face to face contact is an important part of recovery 
>>> groups whether it's AA, NA, Al-Anon, Weight Watchers, and so on.  
>>> Not having that kind of intensive support increases many members 
>>> chance of relapse and threatens their sobriety/abstinence/life. 
>>> Therefore, the sooner folks have a chance to meet, the better for 
>>> them and for our community.   I'm sure there must be some sort of 
>>> protocol the AA group is observing when they meet for their home 
>>> meetings at "AA headquarters" on the corner of 3rd and Scammel, and 
>>> elsewhere.  My guess is that it is protocol that the Ohio Department 
>>> of Health has established.  I'm sure it includes hand-washing, hand 
>>> disinfectant, wearing of face masks, and disinfection of surfaces, 
>>> like tables and chairs.
>>>
>>> It seems to me we do not have to reinvent the wheel in order to 
>>> allow AA to use the property, including being permitted to make 
>>> coffee. The only thing that needs to be established is whether the 
>>> AA group disinfects after themselves and supplies the disinfecting 
>>> supplies, or whether FUUSM does that.  Since the AA group already 
>>> cleans up after themselves, it seems they can continue to do that 
>>> with disinfecting supplies that they bring with them. Or FUUSM can 
>>> supply the alcohol or bleach solution and cleaning cloth.
>>>
>>> It also makes sense to me that FUUSM committees should be able to 
>>> hold the same kind of physically distancing meetings and make the 
>>> use of masks a requirement for in-person meetings.  Those on 
>>> committees who cannot face to face meet or who do not wish to, can 
>>> attend via zoom just like they do for Sunday service.
>>>
>>> I believe the limit of ten people in attendance at group meetings 
>>> has been lifted as the State of Ohio has reopened, however it seems 
>>> that it's still too early to hold church services or sporting 
>>> events. Personally, it's too early for me to enter back into many 
>>> social interactions, just as it is for many in the congregation.  We 
>>> all have to realize that each of us is responsible for our own 
>>> health protection and that we each must take appropriate 
>>> precautions.  We must also realize that what is appropriate for me 
>>> as a 65+, heart and lung compromised, and immune compromised person 
>>> (with the exception of a mask) isn't the same for someone else.
>>>
>>> I don't serve on any committees, but I hope those who do, take these 
>>> observations under consideration. I am willing to find out how other 
>>> meetings are being held and gather the ODHS recommendations to share 
>>> with you. Thanks.
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