[Fuusmchat] Fwd: The "Debate" and the "Firehose of Falsehood"; Video of June 28 Q&A

Sun Jun 30 11:03:19 CDT 2024

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Date: Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 11:08 AM
Subject: The "Debate" and the "Firehose of Falsehood"; Video of June 28 Q&A
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This column by Ruth Ben-Ghiat has helped me comprehend more clearly some of
Donald Trump's methods and madness...

My exchanges with Nicolle Wallace and Ali Velshi on MSNBC
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The "Debate" and the "Firehose of Falsehood"; Video of June 28 Q&A
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On Friday after our Lucid gathering I appeared on Nicolle Wallace’s show
and we had a really good conversation about the “debate” seen through the
lens of authoritarianism and the usefulness of such analyses for our
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Then on Saturday morning I was on Ali Velshi’s program, and I talked about
the “debate” as a democratic political form that authoritarians such as
Trump can turn into a “propaganda show.” *Here
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Some of you will be glad to see that I mentioned the “firehose of
falsehood” concept on air. That’s a stream of lies, half-truths, and
insinuations, all delivered at high volume (thus the firehose). It’s a
Kremlin tactic but practiced by authoritarians around the world. Trump’s
one of world’s most skilled practitioners of this dark art, as is the
Murdoch family, who deliver a tsunami of lies and smears daily.

The ultimate aim is to destroy the idea that we can know the truth,
creating situations of dependence on leaders’ fake versions of reality, and
ultimately encouraging nihilism —if you distrust everything, you believe in
nothing. Then you are far less likely to engage in resistance to uphold
ideals like justice and freedom.

Trump deployed it to transform the debate into a spectacle that served
authoritarian ends. In a democracy, the purpose of a debate is to provide
voters with accurate information on both candidates’ platforms and views.
When an authoritarian like Trump is involved, he turns it into an occasion
to air poisonous lies. This puts the other person on the defensive, forcing
them (if there is no live fact-checking by the moderators, as in this case)
to spend all their time refuting the lies.

The aggressor controls the narrative by preventing his adversary from
making the case for their achievements and their positive goals for the
future. This is especially important when the adversary has accomplished so
much that benefits the American people in their everyday lives, as is the
case with Biden’s presidency.

Biden was decidedly out of it, but a different person, perhaps much sharper
and quicker, would have been in the same situation. Ironically (given the
Greek choir proclaiming him not just old but incompetent) Biden
demonstrated better than anyone that he understood the situation,
commenting after the event that “It’s hard to debate a liar.”

The big-picture takeaway from this prime-time spectacle is that when two
parties are no longer in the same political frame, the old political
rituals are disrupted. One person showed up to have an exchange of views;
the other showed up to indoctrinate people with lies. The outward forms
persist —the podiums, the moderators—but the content has changed.

Studying the rise and fall of authoritarian states has made me attentive to
these “transition” moments. We are living through one now. This introduces
an essay I will publish next week. It discusses how the study of the past
has allowed me to see the patterns of history, where we stand now, and how
things may develop in the future. You’ll see a prediction about Trump’s
coup, and a 2017 warning about an intention to refashion government that is
now Project 2025.

Lucid is designed to help us cultivate a clarity of mind that’s essential
for understanding that what we do now matters to help the future we want
come into being. So as always, stay well and stay lucid. Enjoy the video,
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