[Fuusmchat] Fwd: The "Debate" and the "Firehose of Falsehood"; Video of June 28 Q&A

Mon Jul 1 08:12:50 CDT 2024

I am embarrassed that my country is offering these two candidates.  Have
"We, the people" let this happen??:

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> From: Ruth Ben-Ghiat from Lucid <lucid at substack.com>
> Date: Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 11:08 AM
> Subject: The "Debate" and the "Firehose of Falsehood"; Video of June 28 Q&A
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> This column by Ruth Ben-Ghiat has helped me comprehend more clearly some
> of Donald Trump's methods and madness...
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> My exchanges with Nicolle Wallace and Ali Velshi on MSNBC
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> lens of authoritarianism and the usefulness of such analyses for our
> moment. *Here
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> Some of you will be glad to see that I mentioned the “firehose of
> falsehood” concept on air. That’s a stream of lies, half-truths, and
> insinuations, all delivered at high volume (thus the firehose). It’s a
> Kremlin tactic but practiced by authoritarians around the world. Trump’s
> one of world’s most skilled practitioners of this dark art, as is the
> Murdoch family, who deliver a tsunami of lies and smears daily.
>
> The ultimate aim is to destroy the idea that we can know the truth,
> creating situations of dependence on leaders’ fake versions of reality, and
> ultimately encouraging nihilism —if you distrust everything, you believe in
> nothing. Then you are far less likely to engage in resistance to uphold
> ideals like justice and freedom.
>
> Trump deployed it to transform the debate into a spectacle that served
> authoritarian ends. In a democracy, the purpose of a debate is to provide
> voters with accurate information on both candidates’ platforms and views.
> When an authoritarian like Trump is involved, he turns it into an occasion
> to air poisonous lies. This puts the other person on the defensive, forcing
> them (if there is no live fact-checking by the moderators, as in this case)
> to spend all their time refuting the lies.
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> The aggressor controls the narrative by preventing his adversary from
> making the case for their achievements and their positive goals for the
> future. This is especially important when the adversary has accomplished so
> much that benefits the American people in their everyday lives, as is the
> case with Biden’s presidency.
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> Biden was decidedly out of it, but a different person, perhaps much
> sharper and quicker, would have been in the same situation. Ironically
> (given the Greek choir proclaiming him not just old but incompetent) Biden
> demonstrated better than anyone that he understood the situation,
> commenting after the event that “It’s hard to debate a liar.”
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> The big-picture takeaway from this prime-time spectacle is that when two
> parties are no longer in the same political frame, the old political
> rituals are disrupted. One person showed up to have an exchange of views;
> the other showed up to indoctrinate people with lies. The outward forms
> persist —the podiums, the moderators—but the content has changed.
>
> Studying the rise and fall of authoritarian states has made me attentive
> to these “transition” moments. We are living through one now. This
> introduces an essay I will publish next week. It discusses how the study of
> the past has allowed me to see the patterns of history, where we stand now,
> and how things may develop in the future. You’ll see a prediction about
> Trump’s coup, and a 2017 warning about an intention to refashion government
> that is now Project 2025.
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