[Fuusm-l] Recent Allegations

[nancy wolske]

Ted  - I don’t understand the game here. it wasn’t “my” email that I forwarded to you. Was that not  abundantly clear? It was the email Annie Warmke sent to FUUSM women.  Her allegations were based on information she received from Roger Kalter.  She apparently took it as the gospel truth, and shared it publicly so we’d all be “safe” from Paul.  ( I have privately reminded Roger about people who live in glass houses.)
I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse because you want to defend FUUSM not telling Paul about it?  How dare you pretend that at this point you could only tell Paul that it came from me? Wow. It is a fact that the entire women’s FUUSM email list received an email from Annie Warmke stating that Paul Dunn sexually harassed four women before he rode off into the sunset.  No, we don’t know what he did or to whom or when he did it. That’s a separate issue from the fact that two church members did this to another.  That we do know, first hand. Any and all FUUSM females on the email list could readily confirm this. 
If nobody has enough respect for him to tell him, then that says a lot about FUUSM.  I asked how you yourself would feel about not being made aware if this happened to you. Having been gone two years is immaterial. Would you not expect a heads up before you walked into it? Maybe Paul would like to fill out one of those complaint forms - that is, if he knew what has happened.  I see now this could happen to any of us, dignity and respect be damned. 
Thanks for clarifying Fuusm’s position on this. I won’t be renewing my pledge this year. 

Nancy Lee









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On Friday, February 12, 2021, 9:43 PM, Ted Goertzel <tedgoertzel at gmail.com> wrote:

Nancy,
I do know Paul because he was a regular in the Men's Group and hosted us several times, and I chatted with him often in coffee hour.  But he moved to Oklahoma two years or so ago.  I'm not in touch with him except for seeing an occasional post on Facebook.  He was traumatized when his wife left him, but I hope he has recovered a bit in the years since then.   I never heard him say anything about a problem with a woman in the Church. Any problems he did have must have been a couple of years in the past and I'm not sure that reliving them would be good for anybody.

If I did contact him, I think he would want to know who complained about him and what they said he did.  "Sexual harassment" is a very general term, covering some behaviors that are quite serious and some that are less so.  All I could tell him is I don't know who said what.  If he asked where I heard it, I could only say it was from you.   And you say that you are passing on secondhand allegations from a woman you don't identify.
In your email you say that four women "came forward". But Beth Lapore says that no one directly involved has come forward to the Committee on Ministry, although Kat has reminded us that that is the appropriate place.   This is from an email Beth sent to the Board:
The Committee on ministry felt that our present guide lines are well spelled out.  We agreed that we need to share these guidelines with the  church so that everyone is aware of them.  The Committee thought there was very little we could do with these recent rumors since no one who was directly involved has come forward.We are willing to listen and help guide anyone who feels they have a concern.
Since Kat and the Committee on Ministry are handling this, I don't think I should undercut them.
Ted
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM nancy wolske <nwolske17 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Ted - Since a member of the church sent an email to the entire female membership accusing him of sexual harassment, I think it’s a bit beyond the gossip stage. 
I forwarded the email to you.  Now your information won’t be secondhand, although her allegations certainly were. 
If it were you, wouldn’t you appreciate being told what you’d been publicly accused of?  Common decency is what I’d call it, especially from a church where he, too, is a member. 
But it’s not my call, of course.  And I’m sure I’ve spoken out too much already for some people’s liking. 

















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