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<p>Thanks Melinda McDowell. That's a great idea. I hope a lot of
this kind of thing can be incorporated in to how we move forward
from here. Annie Warmke<br>
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I would think that all policies should be in a place that the
entire community can readily get to them, for example in the
congregation handbook (if there is one) and the web page. Keeping
everything out in the open leads to a safer more welcoming
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for sharing this Melinda.
I don't know what the current FUUSM policy is,
but if there isn't one in place, there needs
to be, This information is likely all that's
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<div>Just a suggestion: Once policy is set, it
might be a good course of action to put the
policy in writing and send to the members
and friends of FUUSM. Then there will be no
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<div>There is a large amount of information out
there concerning making a congregation safe and
examples of Unitarian Universalist sexual
harassment policies. There is no need to
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<div>If in fact this information is based
on second-hand knowledge, then I don't
think any action should be taken against
anyone. If the man who reported this is
concerned, perhaps he could encourage
one or more of the women to talk with
Kat or someone from the board about it
confidentially and then the board could
take appropriate action. It is unfair
to challenge or confront someone without
information directly from the person
injured or harassed or a witness to such
an event. We could all be supportive of
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<div>And, it seems that a sexual
harassment policy wouldn't be a bad
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Feb. 10<br clear="none">
From: Annie Warmke via Women <<a
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Date: Sat, February 06, 2021 6:30 pm<br
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To: amdbone--- via Women <<a
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I outlined the sequence of events
starting with July 2019 so I think the<br
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man who brought the information did
his due diligence. What has become<br
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obvious is that we need to make sure
we have adequate ways to address<br
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sexual harassment, and perhaps even
bullying. We perhaps need to<br
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periodically announce we are a safe
space on these issues. We're<br
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working on something to give to the
board to address the current issue,<br
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and future issues...a strategy, if you
will. Annie<br clear="none">
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> After carefully reading the
ongoing onslaught of emails, I have to
go back to the original statement. A
man told me that there are 4 women
sexually harrassed...does anyone else
see a problem with this? I think,
normally, when hearing this sort of
gossip, one has to be concerned with
both men and the spreading of gossip,
whether true or not. if this statement
by "the man" is true, why didn't he
take appropriate measures? Again, just
my opinion, but it sure looks like
what is needed might be as simple as
board accessibility if there are sound
concerns with facts.<br clear="none">
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>> The breadth of the
conversation continued, so I’m glad
Cindy spoke up.<br clear="none">
>> The onus is on anyone using
email to be aware of to whom you’re
sending a message, especially so when
someone’s being accused and named, and
especially when the accuser remains
anonymous and the accusation
is hearsay. Much harm can result.<br
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2021, 12:29 PM, Rebecca Phillips via
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>> "If you have a garden and a
library, you have everything you
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>> I'd like to just reiterate
Teresa's earlier email - this
conversation really should not be
taking place on such a large list. I'm
quite uncomfortable with this
knowledge that I have no right to
possess.<br clear="none">
>> ThanksCindy<br clear="none">
>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:55
AM Chris via Women <<a shape="rect"
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>> I did not know this about
Paul Dunn. I do not know the names of
the women he harassed before he left.
Let me know their names or keep them
provate. That is okay with me. I am on
the Board as well as Beth Lapore and
Nancy Luthy. So if anyone has
information you want us to bring up at
the Board meeting on Monday, let one
of us know. My though right now is
someone or Kat should confront him
when he returns. Tell him he is
welcomed into our community, but his
behavior will not be tolerated. Well,
something like that. Give one of us
feedback for the meeting and I will
share with you what I learned at the
Board meeting. Chris<br clear="none">
>> From: Maureen <<a
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>> I have a couple of thoughts
based on harassment at my workplaces:
First, it does no good to mildly
rebuke the harasser. My first harasser
used to ogle and leer whenever I
approached his desk, which I had to do
frequently. He was sitting on a high
stool (he was a dispatcher) and one
day I accidentally brushed his crotch
area. He started hooting and I just
snapped. I said very loudly “John,
f*** off!” There was dead silence in
the dispatcher’s room for several
minutes. I never had a problem again.
Make a stink. Be loud. The second
technique is based on advice to
document workplace incidents, when,
where and what. I wrote a letter to my
harasser recounting what he did and
when and asking him to stop. When the
time was right I used it with
satisfactory results. In all my
experiences I was harassed by men whom
I’d turned down for a date or had
otherwise hurt their little egos, no
matter how gently. Remember that these
incidents are all about revenge and
aggression, so respond accordingly. It
sounds like we need a UU Me Too.<br
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>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 9:53 AM,
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>> FYI: This was sent to all
of the women's group not to Karen or
Rebecca alone.<br clear="none">
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>> I don't object to this being
sent to everyone, but I do want to
point out that there are two reply
arrows that one can use on e-mails.
The single arrow replies to the person
who sent the e-mail and the double
arrow replies to the entire group, in
this instance to the women's group.
In many cases it's important to be
sure who you are replying to.<br
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>> Since it came to everyone, I
wanted to offer an opinion. It's
important for the woman who is being
harassed to step into her own power
and let Paul know his advances are
unwanted. I know some women do not
feel capable of doing this, so it is
up to each of us who do, to step
forward and support our sisters until
they do feel empowered enough to speak
for themselves. After all, Paul is
not the only man in our community who
might sexually harass a woman. By
community I mean our church community,
work community, larger community, any
community of which a woman may be a
member.<br clear="none">
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>> So, standing on the side of
love for my sisters, I suggest we
formulate a plan to let Paul know that
his advances and sexual harassment
will not be tolerated. And we need to
base this upon either existing church
policy, or develop a church policy
that addresses sexual harassment. It
really is no more difficult than we
make it.<br clear="none">
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>> If anyone wishes to reply to
me personally about this, please feel
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4, 2021, 2:43:14 PM EST, Annie Warmke
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>> This has to do with Paul Dunn
and his sexual harassment of at least
four women in the months before he
left. It is reported that he is
returning in a few days so this is
very worrisome me that women are not
safe in our church family. I am
concerned also because four came
forward but how many others are
there? Initially (July 2019) a man
spoke from church spoke to me about
Paul and asked what to do. I
suggested he go to the board president
and Kat. He did do that but nothing
came of it.<br clear="none">
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>> Now that Paul is returning
the man who spoke up is very
concerned, and spoke to me again. I
asked him to talk to Kat and the board
to find out what our policy is on
handling sexual harassment. He was
told that they would work on it on
Monday at the board meeting. That
made me wonder if there is a policy,
and if so, why weren't they adhering
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>> I brought the initial report
up at the Women's mo. meeting in Aug.
2019 and asked what could be done.
There was a discussion but nothing
came of it. I don't feel we should be
the ones taking the lead on this. It
is the men who must step up and
support the one who initially brought
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>> It is clear something needs
to be done before Paul returns.
Shouldn't we, as a women's group make
a statement about sexual harassment
and how we want it dealt with? I
cannot look away. Annie<br
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>> On 2/4/2021 1:33 PM, Karen
Binkley via Women wrote:I am available
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>> On 2/4/2021 11:43 AM, Rebecca
Phillips via Women wrote:Greetings,
women of FUUSM, Just a reminder that
our monthly meeting will be next
Wednesday, February 10, at 7:00 PM. We
will be using the church Zoom link
(copied below). Our theme is the UU
theme of "Side With Love," so please
bring an example, anecdote, poem,
whatever on ways that you/we have
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Annie Warmke
Farmer, activist, consultant, writer
Blue Rock Station/Warmke Farm LLC
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.bluerockstation.com">www.bluerockstation.com</a>
(740) 674-4300 or (740) 252-6295 Mobile
Radio: When the Biomass Hits the Wind Turbine
WOUB Digital Wednesday 9 am
WGRN Digital Friday 11:30 am & Saturday 8:30 am
Publications:
The Business of Goat Herding (BRS Media)
The Journey Toward Nothing (BRS Media)
Naturally Healthy Goats (BRS Media)
Podcasts: bluerockstation.com
When the Biomass Hits the Wind Turbine
Arriving at Blue Rock Station</pre>
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