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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>The up front fossil fuel use to obtain parts and materials for renewable energy, as well as other issues brought up, has been addressed multiple times to my satisfaction in the large number of articles I’ve been reading refuting this movie. </p><p class=MsoNormal>I no longer argue with deniers, so I will not be further educating myself to improve my accuracy. This film of lies and outdated misleading information infuriates me, and I will not be joining the discussion.</p><p class=MsoNormal>Mike</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:green@fuusm.org">Annie Warmke via Green</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 18, 2020 12:36<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:green@fuusm.org">green@fuusm.org</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:annie@bluerockstation.com">Annie Warmke</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Green] Concerning planet of the humans movie</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I fear that we will not watch this together and have a discussion. </p><p class=MsoNormal>Solar equipment and wind turbine parts are fossil fuel based. Let's </p><p class=MsoNormal>educate ourselves on the true costs of renewable energy so we are </p><p class=MsoNormal>accurate in the points we make to support it. This move is a beginning </p><p class=MsoNormal>in that process.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/17/2020 7:56 PM, gbanz42--- via Green wrote:</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Mike,</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> Thanks for these articles</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> I had personal experience with these attacks on the so-called hidden costs of renewable energy sources when a petroleum engineer sent me an article about wind turbines that had outlasted their usefulness are gong to fill up land fills because the fiberglass that they are built with are not recyclable. I posed this question to some experts at CCL who countered that there are efforts to recycle wind turbines with new technology and to build them out of recyclable materials.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> A lot of this comes from engineers and fossil fuel advocates who regard environmentalists as naive or uninformed about the scientific consequences of what we are promoting. I think we need to show that our positions are science-based, and that we do acknowledge upstream and downstream carbon consequences of our advocacy for renewables but whatever these consequences, they pale in comparison to what happens with fossil fuels--witness the proposed fracking offload facility in Marietta.</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> ---- Mike Bailey via Green <green@fuusm.org> wrote:</p><p class=MsoNormal>>> Just putting this out there. Don’t know if it will make sense if you haven’t already seen the movie. But when you are considering all sides, maybe the order doesn’t matter.</p><p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>> https://cleantechnica.com/2020/05/09/debunking-attacks-on-clean-energy-manufacturing-emissions/</p><p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>> https://350.org/response-planet-of-the-humans-documentary/</p><p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>> Mike</p><p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>> </p><p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10</p><p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> --</p><p class=MsoNormal>> George Banziger</p><p class=MsoNormal>> 202 Lawton Road</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Marietta, OH 45750-1111</p><p class=MsoNormal>> 740-434-5685</p><p class=MsoNormal>> cell: 740-434-3354</p><p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> _______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Green mailing list</p><p class=MsoNormal>> Green@fuusm.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>> http://fuusm.org/mailman/listinfo/green_fuusm.org</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- </p><p class=MsoNormal>Annie Warmke</p><p class=MsoNormal>Farmer, activist, consultant, writer</p><p class=MsoNormal>Blue Rock Station/Warmke Farm LLC</p><p class=MsoNormal>www.bluerockstation.com</p><p class=MsoNormal>(740) 674-4300 or (740) 252-6295 Mobile</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Radio: When the Biomass Hits the Wind Turbine</p><p class=MsoNormal>WOUB Digital Wednesday 9 am</p><p class=MsoNormal>WGRN Digital Friday 11:30 am & Saturday 8:30 am</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Publications:</p><p class=MsoNormal>The Business of Goat Herding (BRS Media)</p><p class=MsoNormal>The Journey Toward Nothing (BRS Media)</p><p class=MsoNormal>Naturally Healthy Goats (BRS Media)</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Podcasts: bluerockstation.com</p><p class=MsoNormal>When the Biomass Hits the Wind Turbine</p><p class=MsoNormal>Arriving at Blue Rock Station</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- </p><p class=MsoNormal>This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.</p><p class=MsoNormal>https://www.avg.com</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>