<div dir="ltr"><div>Re: Today's Issues reading. Polyamory kerfuffle.</div><div><br></div>I agree with Nathan's concerns and was planning to attend the session by zoom and try to shed some light. As many know, Michelle and I have always been a polyamorous couple and began our relationship 12 years ago as part of a polycule. In the intervening years we have each had warm relationships with others and it has been a joyous and appreciated part of our lives. At this time we are 7 months into a relationship with a glorious woman who is lovingly partnered with both of us. In the near future we 3 and her 2 daughters plan to combine our lives as a family of 5 sharing a home. We have participated in many workshops and been leaders in the poly community providing information and counsel to others for several years and we are well qualified to address the topic.<div><br></div><div>That piece was written by a person who is not Polyamorous, about a book written by a woman who attempted to practice a horribly misguided and unethical rendition of polyamory for all the wrong reasons and was not equipped with the knowledge or tools to do it responsibly and well, and predictably failed. Any knowledgeable member of our community would have talked to her for 3 minutes and counseled her to rethink her decision to enter into those circumstances. The article is inaccurate and biased and treats a sad worst case scenario as if it were the norm.</div><div><br></div><div>If we would like to discuss what polyamory is really about Dawn and Michelle and I would love to join Nathan and Kayla and the rest of the FUUSM family in a lively talk. I/we plan to attend and we hope for a frank discussion. We are a loving triad that has been functioning well for some time and there are no secrets. We would like to share and educate about polyamory that works. The poly lifestyle is not for everybody, but those of us who can and do practice it well it is endlessly rewarding.</div><div><div><br></div></div><div>See you Sunday morning,</div><div><br></div><div>Gil, Michelle and Dawn</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 4:37 PM Ted Goertzel via Fuusm-l <<a href="mailto:fuusm-l@fuusm.org">fuusm-l@fuusm.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><font size="4">The discussion of polyamory scheduled for this Sunday in the Today's Issues group has sparked some interest. I received two emails from Nathan Crowley (you may remember <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wC-x1AuWkfdiCMPFEQBdBdOaG859bukBUpdyk6Gfl48/edit" target="_blank">Nathan and his wife Kayla Campbell </a>who introduced us to Samhain and other pagan traditions). Nathan expressed concern that the reading we had selected, from The Atlantic, treated polyamory as a fad rather than a lifestyle choice. Here are his emails:</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Why is being polyamorous being discussed? Don't you think you should have someone who is actually polyamorous talk to you about being polyamorous? You have a wonderful couple [in the church], me and my wife. I for one don't like the fact that it's being called a fad. I mean I'm not trying to come off as angry about this, I just want a little bit of an explanation.</span><br></b></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><b><br></b></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>This is a follow-up to my first email. After a little bit more thought. And consideration I understand that it might be tempting to read articles about a particular lifestyle and think you know all about that lifestyle. But honestly I read that article and I don't really think it represents all of polyamory. I think so many people are very quick to point out the negative sides of polyamory. And while me and my wife . Could not possibly speak for the entire polyamorous community. I think that at least getting our input on the matter would be justified. Also having a really hard time understanding why this is being discussed at church. Sincerely Nathan Crowley.</b></span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I explained that I didn't even know Marietta had a polyamorous community, I just happened to see the story in The Atlantic. I didn't mean to snub anybody. I've invited Nathan and/or Kayla to join us on Sunday, either in person or on Zoom. I hope one or both can make it, we would certainly like to hear from them. </font></span><span style="font-size:large;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> I've also invited my (adult) grandson, Zar Goertzel, who lives in Prague and is a proponent of polyamory. He says he will probably join us on Zoom. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> There is some sort of precedent, we hosted a book signing some years ago for David Matteson, a Unitarian Minister who published a book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/s?k=I+took+both+roads+Matteson&crid=1AWDJJHXMYLTE&sprefix=i+took+both+roads+matteso%2Caps%2C480&ref=nb_sb_noss" target="_blank">I Took Both Roads: My Journey as a Bisexual Husband.</a> I'm not sure if that counts as polyamory, but we have a record of hearing from proponents of different lifestyles. </font></span><font size="4" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">We are also continuing our discussion of the crisis in Unitarianism. </font><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Who knows, maybe we can be the first church to add a P to LGBTQ. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">All are welcome to our discussion, but please do the reading first. Here is the information:</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span id="m_-6724978530152136130gmail-docs-internal-guid-7bee030c-7fff-df41-934c-f3cc569c23aa"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-left:36pt;text-indent:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">The Today's Issues group meets at 9:30 on Sunday mornings in person in the parlor of the Religious Education buildings next to the church and on zoom We will meet this Sunday, February 11, 2024, to discuss the following readings:</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-left:36pt;text-indent:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">"</span><a href="https://praywithyourfeet.org/2019/12/17/my-church-is-dying-and-im-ok-with-that/" style="text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline">My Church is Dying and I'm Ok with it</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">," from the Pray with Your Feet website. It argues that UUism and liberal religion had its historical moment which is passing, and makes some suggestions about what we can do about it.</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-left:36pt;text-indent:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bt7I9Qinm7v7MfXP8Uwg9fV0-vHL3AqPUK6dqRY_Q7I/edit?usp=sharing" style="text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline">Polyamory: the Ruling Class’s Latest Fad.</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"> Americans who most reap the benefits of marriage are the same class who get to declare monogamy passé and boring. This is from The Atlantic Magazine’s website. </span></p><br><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-left:36pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Click on this link to join the discussion on Zoom. </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-left:36pt;text-indent:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://zoom.us/j/92505235702?pwd=RmUyN1FOUjhBVHRYSDBWY2dUZWxFQT09" style="text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://zoom.us/j/92505235702?pwd=RmUyN1FOUjhBVHRYSDBWY2dUZWxFQT09</span></a><span style="font-size:13pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline"> </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-left:36pt;text-indent:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;text-indent:18pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><br></p></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div>
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